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NAZI UFOs

Nazi Flying Disc

Since 1950 there were many claims about alleged German developments of revolutionary saucer-shaped crafts able to fly with incredible performances, from a sort of "supersonic helicopter" to hard-to-believe interstellar spaceships.

These craft are believed by some to be the same "flying saucers" (later named UFOs) sighted by many people all around the world since 1947.   According to the many would-be "inventors" and enthusiasts of this theory, UFOs would not be of extraterrestrial origin but man-made.

The "German saucers" are often known also as the "V-7 legend": this comes from a reportedly circular aircraft named "V-7" that is claimed to have flown in Prague on February 14, 1945.

The conventional view of history is that, while the Germans possessed some remarkable and deadly weapons such as the V-l, the V-2 and the jet-engined Messerschmitt ME-262 fighter, their technological innovations did not extend much further than that.   Indeed, serious historians treat claims of fantastic advances in Nazi technology with the utmost disdain.

There are other views however... and the story goes like this:

In 1952, a former Luftwaffe engineer named Rudolph Schriever gave a series of interviews to the West German press in which he claimed to have designed a "Flying Disc" during the war.   Schriever had been an engineer and test pilot for the Heinkel factory in Eger.   In 1941, he began to toy with the idea of an aircraft that could take off vertically, thus eliminating the need for runways, which were vulnerable to enemy bombing.

By June the following year, he had built and test-flown a working model of his design, and work immediately began on a full-size fifteen-foot version.   In mid-1944, Schriever was transferred to the BMW plant near Prague, Czechoslovakia, where he was joined by an engineer from the rocket site at Peenemunde named Walter Miethe, another engineer named Klaus Habermohl and an Italian physicist from the aeronautical complex at Riva del Garda, Dr Giuseppe Belluzzo.

Together, it is claimed, they built an even larger, piloted version of the disc, featuring a domed pilot's cabin sitting at the centre of a circular set of multiple wings driven by a turbine engine mounted on the disc's vertical axis.

The German disc programme allegedly went under the title 'Projekt Saucer'.   According to the military historian Major Rudolph Lusar, Schriever's disc consisted of "a wide-surface ring which rotated around a fixed, cupola-shaped cockpit".   The ring contained "adjustable wing-discs which could be brought into appropriate position for the take-off or horizontal flight".   The Model 3 flying disc is claimed to have had a diameter of 138 feet and a height of 105 feet.   According to Schriever, the finished disc was ready for test-flying early in 1944, but was destroyed by its builders to prevent it from falling into the hands of the advancing Allies.

According to the story, Schriever and his colleagues fled as the BMW plant was taken by Czechoslovakian patriots.   In spite of Schriever's claim, Renato Vesco, who studied aeronautical engineering at the German Institute for Aerial Development and during the war was sent to work at Fiat's underground installation at Lake Garda in northern Italy, states that a highly advanced supersonic disc-shaped aircraft called the Kugelblitz was allegedly test-flown near the Nordhausen underground rocket complex in February 1945.   Also known as the V-7, this machine was said to have climbed to a height of 37,600 feet in just three minutes, and is claimed by 'true believers' to have reached a speed of 1,218 mph.   This craft and the technicians who built it were apparently seized by the Russians and taken to Siberia, where the disc project continued under Soviet control.

While Vesco concedes that the hard evidence for a German flying-disc programme is "very tenuous" (non-existant is more accurate), he notes that "the senior official of a 1945 British technical mission revealed that he had discovered German plans for 'entirely new and deadly developments in air warfare' ".   Vesco claimed that these plans must obviously have gone beyond normal jet aircraft designs, as both sides already had jet-powered aircraft in production and operational service by the end of the war.   Moreover, before Rudolf Schriever died some fifteen years after the war he had become convinced that the large numbers of post-war UFO sightings were evidence that his designs had been built and developed.

On 2 May 1980, another man claimed to the German press that he had worked on Project Saucer.   Heinrich FleiBner, then 76 years old, told Neue Presse magazine that he had been a technical consultant on a jet-propelled, disc-shaped aircraft that had been built at Peenemunde from parts manufactured in a number of other locations.   FleiBner also claimed that Goering had been the patron of the project and planned to use the disc as a courier plane, but that the Wehrmacht had destroyed most of the plans in the face of the Allied advance.  

According to Vesco, the Austrian inventor Viktor Schauberger, after being kidnapped by the Nazis, designed a number of disc-shaped aircraft for the Third Reich between 1938 and 1945.

The saucers were powered by what Schauberger called 'liquid vortex propulsion' which he explained as follows: 'If water or air is rotated into a twisting form of oscillation known as "colloidal", a build-up of energy results, which, with immense power, can cause levitation.'

It would be interesting to know the extent of the truth of these claims, because both scientific facts and principles seem to lie in ruins if what Schauberger says about Nazi UFOs is even half true.

NOTE:

I apologise in advance for the length of the following quote from Vladimir Terziski's 'Half a Century of the German Moon Base 1942 - 1992'.   I wouldn't usually give so much space to such nonsense, but Terziski's so-called 'documentaries' have clearly done more than anything else to talk up the whole "Nazi UFO" mythos.   And he's done it very efficiently, too.   This material amounts to another form of Revisionism, in which the Nazis won in the end.
"The Germans landed on the Moon as early as probably 1942, utilizing their larger exoatmospheric rocket saucers of the Miethe and Schriever type.   The Miethe rocket craft was built in diameters of 15 and 50 meters, and the Schriever Walter turbine powered craft was designed as an interplanetary exploration vehicle.   It had a diameter of 60 meters, had 10 stories of crew compartments, and stood 45 meters high.   Welcome to Alice in Saucerland.   In my extensive research of dissident American theories about the physical conditions on the Moon I have proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is atmosphere, water and vegetation on the Moon, and that man does not need a space suit to walk on the Moon.   A pair of jeans, a pullover and sneakers are just about enough.   Everything NASA has told the world about the Moon is a lie and it was done to keep the exclusivity of the club from joinings by the third world countries.   All these physical conditions make it a lot more easier to build a Moon base.

Ever since their first day of landing on the Moon, the Germans started boring and tunneling under the surface, and by the end of the war there was a small Nazi research base on the Moon.   The free energy tachyon drive craft of the 'Haunibu-1' and 'Haunibu-2' type were used after 1944 to haul people, materiel and the first robots to the construction site on the Moon.   When Russians and Americans secretly landed jointly on the Moon in the early fifties with their own saucers, they spent their first night there as guests of the...   Nazi underground base.   In the sixties a massive Russian - American base had been built on the Moon, that now has a population of 40,000 people, as the rumor goes.

According to the authors of an underground German documentary movie about the Thule Society [presumably 'UFO Secrets of the Third Reich'], the only produced craft of the 'Haunibu-3' type - the 74 meter diameter naval warfare dreadnought - was chosen for the most courageous mission of this whole century - the trip to Mars.   The craft was of saucer shape, had the bigger 'Andromeda' tachyon drives, and was armed with four triple gun turrets of large naval caliber (three inverted upside down and attached to the underside of the craft, and the fourth on top of the crew compartments).  

A volunteer suicide crew of Germans and Japanese was chosen, because everybody knew that this journey was a one-way journey with no return.   The large intensity of the electro-magnetogravitic fields and the inferior quality of the metal alloys used then for the structural elements of the drive, was causing the metal to fatigue and get very brittle only after a few months of work of the drive.   The flight to Mars departed from Germany one month before the war ended - in April 1945...

One question, that I have not answered yet in the affirmative is how were the Germans able to regenerate the air inside the craft for 8 months for this big crew... Quite probably they were using advanced life support systems, developed initially for their larger Walter turbine and free energy submarines, that were cruising the oceans without resurfacing.

The radio message with the mixed news was received by the German underground space control center in "Neu Schwabenland" and by their research base on the Moon."
Terziski doesn't let historical or scientific facts - or even common sense - interfere with his tales of "an 'alien tutor race' that secretly began cooperating with certain German scientists in the late 1920s in underground bases and began to introduce their concepts of philosophical, cultural, and technological progress", he maintains that "antigravity research began in the 1920s with the first hybrid antigravity circular craft, the RFZ-1, constructed by the secret Vril Society.   In 1942-43 a series of antigravity machines culminated in the giant 350-foot-long, cigar-shaped Andromeda space station, which was constructed in old Zeppelin hangars near Berlin by E4, the research and development arm of the SS."

It seems that the latest developments of the Nazi UFO legend, from its original modest claims and beginnings has it "boldly going where no conspiracy theory has gone before..." including claims of Nazi space journeys to the Moon, Mars and even the stars.   The whole subject seems to grow more extreme - and more unbelievable - with each passing decade.

Sack AS-6 V1
A real Nazi 'UFO' - the Sack AS-6
in a hangar at Brandis circa 1944
This piston engine clunker is hardly
the interplanetary craft described by
'Nazi UFO' conspiracy theorists
who claim that the Nazi's had
undertaken successful manned
missions to the Moon and Mars
in their fleet of 'Flying Discs'...

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Besides the claims of would-be inventors, wild rumours, and the claims of out-and-out crack-pots, there are few original first-hand historical documents about the development of saucer-shaped aircraft by the Nazis, though some did exist - though not as advanced as some would like to believe.   The supporters of the saucers' reality say that most but not all documents and blueprints were destroyed by the Nazis before surrender or captured by the Allied and never released, due to their extreme strategic importance.   Investigation for locating possible undisputable sources is still running.

The reality of the "Nazi UFOs" has been highly controversial to say the least - laughable is more like it!   Though it is undisputable that the Nazi's were indeed working on many advanced rocket and jet designs by the wars end, including some "flying discs" (such as the Sack AS-6 [pictured above] and the Focke-Wulf VTOL Project), no hard historical evidence about the existence of the highly advanced technology mentioned above has been presented so far.

DISCLAIMER:

It should be noted that belief in "Nazi UFOs" is in no way connected with Neo-Paganism, Wicca, and/or the occult in general.   The subject has only been included here as an oddity - an aberration believed only by the most rabid "conspiracy nuts" - that is sometimes linked to the Vril Society, and less commonly, to the Thule Society, both genuinely occultic groups.

see also: NAZI MYSTICISM ; VRIL SOCIETY


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